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4th Mar 2016, 12:00 PM in Chapter 6: "Scars of the Past"
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Author Notes:

4th Mar 2016, 12:00 PM

Comments:

4th Mar 2016, 12:03 PM
HeSerpenty
Oh Abe you're so noble! When it comes to you and your comrades... only Lollol. screw everyone ELSE >__>

Great pageee <333 (as usual!)
4th Mar 2016, 12:43 PM
Alicia
Gotta look out for his homies. :P (Thanks! <3)
4th Mar 2016, 6:16 PM
alston123
Wow. Dang. I just...he can't be...I'm so confused...Can I appreciate this? This is really noble...so confused. -_-
5th Mar 2016, 11:28 AM
Alicia
Ha ha, the more that is revealed about Abraham, the more confusing it gets. ;)
4th Mar 2016, 6:20 PM
MST3KFan
Well, at least he's honorable in THAT regard I guess...
5th Mar 2016, 11:29 AM
Alicia
Right. But don't shoot his eye out. He holds grudges. X3
4th Mar 2016, 7:46 PM
azureXtwilight
I am conflicted about Abe. He is a honorable person in his own right, buuut....

Ahhhhhhhhhhh :'''((((
5th Mar 2016, 11:29 AM
Alicia
It's all about having a certain point of view! There's a reason why he has such a loyal gang. :3
4th Mar 2016, 8:04 PM
You could have just...stood you know? And only your feet would get holes...
5th Mar 2016, 11:30 AM
Alicia
Right, but in order to see what it would be like for werewolves who will be in this position, he had to kneel down to get the proper effect.
4th Mar 2016, 9:08 PM
Steven-Vincent
Nooooo... I am caught up. Now I have to wait for installments!
5th Mar 2016, 11:31 AM
Alicia
lol Well... I've got lots of stuff in the fan art/bonus art/q&a section to hopefully keep ya entertained between updates?
4th Mar 2016, 11:53 PM
Confettirainbowpony
Abe! you're doing it wrong! they have to spin the thing first and..oh never mind. >_>; Queue the spikes! :D pointy style. with extra pointy sauce on the side! B)

(...wait..!! if Abe's blood affects the crystal too, does that mean he'd have to do whatever he says? O.o but then he'd be waiting for his own commands...that could get awkward.. XDXDXD) *secretly hopes for that to happen* X3
5th Mar 2016, 11:32 AM
Alicia
lol Don't divide by zero, Pony. You are about to break the universe. XD

As we saw when Jeriah was wearing the necklace, if one's own blood is on the crystal and they are wearing it, it has no affect. :'D
5th Mar 2016, 4:56 PM
That's going to have a fun effect when our heroes recover it.

I am curious, what was going through the heads of the people who built this device? I mean, I understand the speed benefits to him, and the pomp of using an ancient device, his using it I get. But when that thing was first built it, either it was used on willing subjects and would have a ridiculously long man-hour payback vs cutting oneself on a knife, or it was used on unwilling subjects...and where is the cage?
6th Mar 2016, 1:00 AM
Alicia
Things will become more explained about all of that later. ;)

Annabelle DID find something that bothered her in those notes. :D
5th Mar 2016, 1:07 AM
Well when you think about it, people like Hitler and Stalin were 'noble' towards their fellow countrymen, but for anyone else that they deemed unworthy then...well, you get the point.
5th Mar 2016, 11:33 AM
Alicia
LOL This sentence makes me feel like my villain wins so hard. YUS! <3
5th Mar 2016, 5:34 PM
Both Hitler and Stalin had a record for murdering their own countrymen. The latter killed mostly his own. Stalin killed ideological allies in his own social circle - people he personally knew - in order to remove potential threats to his power. I believe Hitler did the same with some of his essential early supporters, and for the same reason, but I haven't studied his history as closely. Both villains lacked any concept of loyalty to their people, and neither would've gotten down on that device. They would have ordered a single subordinate to test it, to avoid the loss of a full round, but they would not have opted to place the danger on their own person to avoid the loss of the one.

What we're seeing in Abraham is a different type of person entirely. His primary fault is a lack of any notion of non-aggression, of leaving innocent bystanders be as a matter of inviolable right (demonstrated most pointedly by the killing of human train passengers). The closest he has seems to be a conservationist level value for the lives of outsiders - see preferential avoidance of killing bank tellers, despite ultimate willingness to kill them for their money, as moral obligation, and withdrawing without finishing off the protagonists. Unclear, at this time, is how much value he has for autonomy of others - see willingness to enslave followers to the gem, though the fact that they lose their wills anyway when transformed offers an alternative explanation. We've just observed a genuine desire to protect his own people, going beyond a mere protectiveness of living property, as he's risking his own health to do it. That's a pretty big deal.

Overall, Abraham appears to be the pinnacle of a "good man" for most ancient and some modern cultures. By their standards, he's an antagonist but not a villain, a good leader and protector of his people who the protagonists simply have the misfortune to have as an opponent in an important matter. Only after adding the moral condemnation of preying on outsiders does he classify as a villain, and as fundamental a belief as that is to many people today, myself included, it is far from universally held, especially historically.

Anyway, I really like the depth of character. It makes him, and especially his followers, accessible. Particularly when you consider that under their circumstances, the alternative to the aggression is probably death, which is a hell of culpability mitigator. You can admire his good qualities, and understand why he'd have truly loyal followers, and seeing him in a scene doesn't wash out all other emotional content with OHMYGODKILLHIMNOW.

I still want him dead, though.
6th Mar 2016, 1:18 AM
Alicia
WOW, thanks! This is really cool to read about and it is super inspiring to me! I always worry about my characters most of all-- that they are interesting enough.

Yeah, there are many reasons why he has close friends and loyal followers... And he treats those people right. But it is quite easy to get on his sh*t list, especially if you are in the way of his goals to help said friends, like our protagonists unfortunately are at the moment.

There are good reasons why he keeps sparing Jeriah too. Hopefully those reasons are becoming more apparent as well. :D

Thank you for this! Ha ha, and nobody can blame anyone for wanting Abraham dead. XD It's a pretty logical desire at this point.
5th Mar 2016, 2:01 AM
CiciEnixa
I hope he gets impaled 8D I'm probably going to be very disappointed but I still hope for it XD
5th Mar 2016, 2:50 AM
Jarvi
That would be really funny :D
Abe gets impaled, end of story xD
5th Mar 2016, 11:34 AM
Alicia
"Small, mostly harmless spikes." IMPALEMENT. LOL X'D

Pleasedon'tbedisappointed.
5th Mar 2016, 1:52 PM
Slim Kittens
"Well, that was only moderately painful. Crank the spikes up a couple of inches."
6th Mar 2016, 1:19 AM
Alicia
"Can't this thing go up to 11?"
5th Mar 2016, 5:12 PM
Matt Knab
Well, he's good to his people, and evil to everyone else? We just happen to have some of the "everyone else" as our protagonists.
6th Mar 2016, 1:20 AM
Alicia
You can't be evil to EVERYONE. That would just get tiring, right?
6th Mar 2016, 8:23 AM
Spelledeg
More Abe love ♥(・´з`・) eeeee

I can totally see why he has followers. He's got stupid ethics from where he is coming from.

Great page, Alicia
6th Mar 2016, 10:11 AM
Alicia
Ha ha, thanks! XD
6th Mar 2016, 10:08 PM
Blissarda
I love how complicated his character is. Abe might be one of my favorite villains on webcomics.
7th Mar 2016, 12:39 AM
Alicia
Ooooh thanks! That is super inspiring for me to hear! <3
10th Mar 2016, 3:55 PM
Proxy170
Mixing a little bit of old west, new technology, and mythical stories...another reason I love Silver :)
28th May 2016, 2:55 PM
Alicia
It's got it aaaaaaall. XD Thanks!
28th May 2016, 1:47 PM
junoro
My mouth was hanging open and then I saw your author comment! It perfectly reflects my face right now! O: Abe genuinely surprised me!
28th May 2016, 2:56 PM
Alicia
He's full of surprises. XD Maybe not as bad as some people think. ;)
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